Lily Hammer
5:39 Fri Jul 24
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VirginiaHam 5:25 Fri Jul 24
Make you right about worse to come. We will certainly be targeted as an easy team to wind up.
We have certainly put the IRON on irony considering we are in europe due to fair play.
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VirginiaHam
5:25 Fri Jul 24
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1964 5:07 Fri Jul 24
My reaction was there was no foul as the ball wasn't in play.
The first grappling had to come from the defender (why would Tomkins hold on to a defender?) and I think the defender went down due to a mixture of shoving and diving, followed by deliberate rolling around.
Typically, referees never allow that situation to develope, and the pair get an early bollocking and get told to stop (which they don't). It should have been nothing more than a yellow for each, and maybe a second lellow for all the rolling around.
Either way, Tomkins deserves a massive bollocking for getting sucked in by a snidey cheat.
Noble too.......embarrassing to get wound up so easily....there's worse to come now.
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onlyoneclydebest
5:19 Fri Jul 24
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Still,at least the play acting tosspot went on to miss his penalty
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1964
5:16 Fri Jul 24
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Must have got booked for "unsporting behavior"
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1964
5:07 Fri Jul 24
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More FIFA Laws:
T
he following conditions must be met for an offence to
be considered a foul:
it must be committed by a player
it must occur on the field of play
it must occur while the ball is in play
R
emove any one of these conditions and the offence
is
not and cannot be
a foul
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JustAFatKevinDavies
5:04 Fri Jul 24
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i remember years ago on the opening day of the season a newcastle player got sent off for decking a young darren bent in the area in the MELEE preceding a corner. Red card but no pen as the ball was dead
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Willtell
5:03 Fri Jul 24
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That's my guess too. I think the ref was probably right on the technicalities. The defender was holding Tomkins while readying for the corner. Yellow no pen. Tomkins twisted and threw him off. Red - sent off.
Harsh but probably correct. Certainly not just or fair.
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1964
4:56 Fri Jul 24
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Not sure then
My GUESS is the ref was right, booking but no pen
need Graham Poll
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Lily Hammer
4:47 Fri Jul 24
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1964
That's all clear, but it still doesn't cover last night's situation, when the ball was dead at the moment of the original holding foul.
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1964
4:34 Fri Jul 24
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Disciplinary sanctions:
a caution for unsporting behaviour shall be issued when a
player holds an opponent to prevent him gaining possession of
the ball or taking up an advantageous position
a player shall be sent off if he denies an obvious goalscoring
opportunity by holding an opponent
no further disciplinary action shall be taken in other situation
of holding an opponent
R
estart of play:
direct free kick from the position where the offence occurred*
penalty kick if the offence occurred inside the penalty area
if a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area
but continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee shall
award a penalty kick
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Lily Hammer
4:30 Fri Jul 24
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That's the first explanaition I thought of. So that would mean that a foul in the area is technicallly different depending on whether the ball is dead or not?
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eastend joker
4:21 Fri Jul 24
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I would have thought the reason there was no penalty awarded was because the ball was dead and the free kick had not yet been taken .
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